Debra Winger is at her most mercurial portraying a mentally-challenged woman who becomes involved in a murder. This adaptation of Mary McGarry Morris' novel is difficult viewing--mainly because the protagonist can be such a handful--though director Stephen Gyllenhaal lends the material an intense, compelling flourish, and the results are ideal for audiences interested in something left of center. Gyllenhaal, who was creating quite a resume for himself in the mid-1990s before eventually turning to TV (our loss), bulldozes right through the screenplay's messy structure and barrage of hot-headed characters, and he's very sensitive when handling magnetic Winger, who does remarkable work. Incredible supporting cast includes Barbara Hershey, Gabriel Byrne, Chloe Webb, David Strathairn, Jan Hooks and Laurie Metcalf. ** from ****
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Debra Winger is marvelous
agirlwhoreallylovesmovies13 October 2002
This is a good movie - not as good as the book, but still a very good movie.
Debra Winger plays Martha Horgan, a mentally disabled young woman who lives with her beautiful Aunt Frances (the always ethereal Barbara Hershey). Martha works at a dry cleaning shop, where she is framed for stealing money by the sleazy Getso (David Strathairn). Getso is the boyfriend of Martha's best (and only) friend Birdie, played by Chloe Webb. Martha sets out to prove her innocence. This is furthermore complicated by Gabriel Byrne's sexy handyman, who Martha falls in love with.
"A Dangerous Woman" is believable and the acting is wonderful. Not as good as the book, but still a very good movie.
Debra Winger plays Martha Horgan, a mentally disabled young woman who lives with her beautiful Aunt Frances (the always ethereal Barbara Hershey). Martha works at a dry cleaning shop, where she is framed for stealing money by the sleazy Getso (David Strathairn). Getso is the boyfriend of Martha's best (and only) friend Birdie, played by Chloe Webb. Martha sets out to prove her innocence. This is furthermore complicated by Gabriel Byrne's sexy handyman, who Martha falls in love with.
"A Dangerous Woman" is believable and the acting is wonderful. Not as good as the book, but still a very good movie.
In a dishonest society, honesty is seen as a mental handicap
JamesHitchcock25 August 2006
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It is sometimes said that the best way to win an Oscar is to play someone with a disability, whether physical or mental, and this certainly seemed to be true in the late eighties and early nineties. Several "Best Actor" and "Best Actress" awards during this period went to those playing such parts- Marlee Matlin in "Children of a Lesser God", Dustin Hoffman in "Rain Man", Daniel Day-Lewis in "My Left Foot" and Tom Hanks in "Forrest Gump". "A Dangerous Woman" was perhaps Debra Winger's attempt at Oscar glory, as her character, Martha, is retarded, possibly mentally handicapped.
The exact nature of Martha's disability is never made clear in the film, indeed, it is pointed out that the doctors are unable to diagnose her, let alone cure her. She is simple-minded, but her condition does not require her to be hospitalised (she lives with her aunt Frances) and she is even able to hold down a job with a dry-cleaning company. In the event, Winger was not nominated for an Oscar, although she did receive a nomination for a Golden Globe, but her performance is nevertheless a very good one. In some of her earlier films she played attractive, lively, vivacious characters, but Martha is plain, slow and shuffling, dowdily dressed, peering at the world through thick pebble glasses. Although Frances is supposed to be a generation older than Martha (and Barbara Hershey, who plays her, is seven years older than Winger), it is Frances who seems considerably younger.
Despite her mental disability, however, Martha does not lack a sense of right and wrong. Indeed, her sense of right and wrong is very highly developed. She is incapable of being deceitful or dishonest, even when it would be in her own interests to be so. (There is a suggestion, not completely followed through, that in a dishonest society an inability to dissemble or tell lies is in itself a form of mental handicap). Martha loses her job at the dry-cleaners; the ostensible reason is that she is suspected of stealing money from the till (a theft actually carried out by one of her colleagues), but the real reason is that she embarrassed her boss by telling a customer that his suit had not been properly cleaned.
Apart from the scenes where Martha loses her job, the main focus is on the growing romance between Martha and Mackey, the Irish handyman carrying out repairs to Frances's house. There is also a rather unnecessary subplot about Frances's own affair with a local politician and the attempts to reclaim him made by the man's estranged wife. Although Mackey has a serious drink problem and little positive about him, Martha becomes very attached to him, and allows him to take advantage of her when he is drunk. (Drunkenness is a common theme in the film; Frances and the politician's wife also have alcohol problems).
The crisis of the film comes when Martha is molested by Getso, the employee whose dishonesty was the ostensible reason for her sacking, and she stabs him in self-defence, with fatal results. Martha is urged to claim that Getso was attempting to rape her, but refuses on the grounds that this would be a lie. Martha's devastating honesty makes her a "dangerous woman" to herself; her inability to lie puts her in danger of a conviction for murder. It is, in fact, never clear exactly what Getso was attempting to do; the film certainly leaves open the possibility that he was indeed trying to sexually assault Martha but that she was too innocent to realise this.
For most of the film, the action is fairly slow-moving. The film is not only slow but also sombre; many scenes are dark, with dull browns and greys the predominant tones. The crisis comes near the end, which means that the film can seem rather unbalanced- a long, unhurried build-up followed by a hurried ending. Nevertheless, Winger's affecting performance makes this a film worth seeing as an insight into the problems of the mentally handicapped. 6/10
The exact nature of Martha's disability is never made clear in the film, indeed, it is pointed out that the doctors are unable to diagnose her, let alone cure her. She is simple-minded, but her condition does not require her to be hospitalised (she lives with her aunt Frances) and she is even able to hold down a job with a dry-cleaning company. In the event, Winger was not nominated for an Oscar, although she did receive a nomination for a Golden Globe, but her performance is nevertheless a very good one. In some of her earlier films she played attractive, lively, vivacious characters, but Martha is plain, slow and shuffling, dowdily dressed, peering at the world through thick pebble glasses. Although Frances is supposed to be a generation older than Martha (and Barbara Hershey, who plays her, is seven years older than Winger), it is Frances who seems considerably younger.
Despite her mental disability, however, Martha does not lack a sense of right and wrong. Indeed, her sense of right and wrong is very highly developed. She is incapable of being deceitful or dishonest, even when it would be in her own interests to be so. (There is a suggestion, not completely followed through, that in a dishonest society an inability to dissemble or tell lies is in itself a form of mental handicap). Martha loses her job at the dry-cleaners; the ostensible reason is that she is suspected of stealing money from the till (a theft actually carried out by one of her colleagues), but the real reason is that she embarrassed her boss by telling a customer that his suit had not been properly cleaned.
Apart from the scenes where Martha loses her job, the main focus is on the growing romance between Martha and Mackey, the Irish handyman carrying out repairs to Frances's house. There is also a rather unnecessary subplot about Frances's own affair with a local politician and the attempts to reclaim him made by the man's estranged wife. Although Mackey has a serious drink problem and little positive about him, Martha becomes very attached to him, and allows him to take advantage of her when he is drunk. (Drunkenness is a common theme in the film; Frances and the politician's wife also have alcohol problems).
The crisis of the film comes when Martha is molested by Getso, the employee whose dishonesty was the ostensible reason for her sacking, and she stabs him in self-defence, with fatal results. Martha is urged to claim that Getso was attempting to rape her, but refuses on the grounds that this would be a lie. Martha's devastating honesty makes her a "dangerous woman" to herself; her inability to lie puts her in danger of a conviction for murder. It is, in fact, never clear exactly what Getso was attempting to do; the film certainly leaves open the possibility that he was indeed trying to sexually assault Martha but that she was too innocent to realise this.
For most of the film, the action is fairly slow-moving. The film is not only slow but also sombre; many scenes are dark, with dull browns and greys the predominant tones. The crisis comes near the end, which means that the film can seem rather unbalanced- a long, unhurried build-up followed by a hurried ending. Nevertheless, Winger's affecting performance makes this a film worth seeing as an insight into the problems of the mentally handicapped. 6/10
Strangely compelling...
Heligena18 September 2002
Not a bad film for one i saw at 1.30 in the morning. Debra Winger is convincing as a mentally challenged woman who only wants to understand why being truthful doesn't work in the world around her. The fact that she has her own apartment testifying to this. Gabriel Byrne was restrained as was needed in the opposing role to the central character and gave the movie some essential compassion which worked nicely. The sex scenes were a bit graphic but i think it was necessary as the controversy between rape/consentual sex in this case was in dispute. A point not overplayed or simplified, thankfully so credit to the writer and director for that.
Overall it raised some interesting themes in societies treatment of the mentally disabled and followed through with a realistic ending. 3 out of 5.
Overall it raised some interesting themes in societies treatment of the mentally disabled and followed through with a realistic ending. 3 out of 5.
Story of a homely and unsophisticated woman, interestingly played out.
rmax30482310 August 2005
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There isn't much new in the idea. Two women, both hungry, living alone. A handyman comes in. He does both of them. One, in the course of an unrelated subplot, knifes a man to death and is sent to jail, carrying the handyman's baby. After a year or so, she gets out and is reunited with the handyman, her baby, and the other woman -- happily, it seems. Yet the plot is more original than you might expect. What you might expect is a pretty but excessively shy woman who finds love at the end with the humble Mellors, I mean the humble Byrne. But it's not that. It's not "David and Lisa" either. It's better than that.
What I kind of like about it is mostly the acting. Barbara Hershey is glamorized and stunning. And Debra Winger gives her character a real life of her own. Man, is she homely. She wears thick glasses, has her hair tied back like the head of a mop, wears no makeup, and pinches her lips together and twitches from time to time. It's the kind of performance -- playing an inadequate socially challenged semi-loony -- that wins Academy Awards.
At the same time it's more difficult to play a person with a touch of simple schizophrenia than it is to play an autistic or someone who has cerebral palsy or is considerably retarded. Winger's unadorned illness is characterized mainly by an inability to groom herself attractively and a social clumsiness that is characteristic of schizophrenia. What she has, and what most schizophrenics don't, is an emotional depth, a resonance with others. She may be constantly frazzled but she's capable of loving deeply.
And I appreciated Gabriel Byrne's character and performance too. A by-the-numbers route here would have brought in a ruggedly handsome, perfectly gorgeous, virile, flawless guy, brimming with danger and testosterone. Instead the movie gives us Gabe Byrne. Yes, he's a kind of ne'er do well and a rogue but he's not Vigo Mortenson or Brad Pitt. His face looks as if it's been molded out of candle wax that has begun to melt. He gets drunk just about every night and can't hold a job. He admits he's a lying thief. And -- for this I was particularly grateful -- he never ONCE takes off his shirt and shows us his sweaty chest while splitting logs or, er, plowing a field.
One night, drunk, he stumbles into Winger's little bungalow. He's filled with remorse, poses her as a priest in a confessional, asks her, "Are you Catholic? Ah, never mind, you don't know what the **** I'm talking about anyway." Then he begs this rudely shaped lump of clay for absolution and weeps in her lap before kissing her. (Her first time, we don't doubt.) She's alternately charmed and horrified.
The language and the sex are fairly explicit. The sex includes masturbation, defloration, and -- well, normal intercourse, I guess, if the definition is extended to include coupling on a floor full of broken crockery with one of the partners so deliriously drunk that she believes the man is someone else.
It's nicely directed too. No razzle-dazzle. No, "Hey, Ma, look at me! I got a camera!" Just one or two shots involving a pair of eyeglasses draw attention to themselves. The rest is very efficiently done. When Strathairn dies, he does so in a most unexpected way, stabbed multiple times, and whining about, "Hey, what did you do to me." There's blood all over the place, as there should be when someone is bleeding to death, but not a single shot of a knife piercing flesh. And his killer reassuring him as he expires, "It's okay. It's okay." She can't dial 911 because she can't find her glasses.
The end is a little disturbing if you bother to think about it. After all, Debra Winger has stabbed a guy to death over some squabble at her workplace. "A Dangerous Woman" is right. And it appears that Byrne is finally going to make an honest woman out of her. I hope she never gets mad at HIM.
The photography is very nicely done. I don't know where it was shot but it looks a bit like the Coachella Valley in California. Nice ranch house. Nice lines of fruit-bearing trees in the orchards. Mountains all around. Fan palms. The Garden of Eden with humans in it.
What I kind of like about it is mostly the acting. Barbara Hershey is glamorized and stunning. And Debra Winger gives her character a real life of her own. Man, is she homely. She wears thick glasses, has her hair tied back like the head of a mop, wears no makeup, and pinches her lips together and twitches from time to time. It's the kind of performance -- playing an inadequate socially challenged semi-loony -- that wins Academy Awards.
At the same time it's more difficult to play a person with a touch of simple schizophrenia than it is to play an autistic or someone who has cerebral palsy or is considerably retarded. Winger's unadorned illness is characterized mainly by an inability to groom herself attractively and a social clumsiness that is characteristic of schizophrenia. What she has, and what most schizophrenics don't, is an emotional depth, a resonance with others. She may be constantly frazzled but she's capable of loving deeply.
And I appreciated Gabriel Byrne's character and performance too. A by-the-numbers route here would have brought in a ruggedly handsome, perfectly gorgeous, virile, flawless guy, brimming with danger and testosterone. Instead the movie gives us Gabe Byrne. Yes, he's a kind of ne'er do well and a rogue but he's not Vigo Mortenson or Brad Pitt. His face looks as if it's been molded out of candle wax that has begun to melt. He gets drunk just about every night and can't hold a job. He admits he's a lying thief. And -- for this I was particularly grateful -- he never ONCE takes off his shirt and shows us his sweaty chest while splitting logs or, er, plowing a field.
One night, drunk, he stumbles into Winger's little bungalow. He's filled with remorse, poses her as a priest in a confessional, asks her, "Are you Catholic? Ah, never mind, you don't know what the **** I'm talking about anyway." Then he begs this rudely shaped lump of clay for absolution and weeps in her lap before kissing her. (Her first time, we don't doubt.) She's alternately charmed and horrified.
The language and the sex are fairly explicit. The sex includes masturbation, defloration, and -- well, normal intercourse, I guess, if the definition is extended to include coupling on a floor full of broken crockery with one of the partners so deliriously drunk that she believes the man is someone else.
It's nicely directed too. No razzle-dazzle. No, "Hey, Ma, look at me! I got a camera!" Just one or two shots involving a pair of eyeglasses draw attention to themselves. The rest is very efficiently done. When Strathairn dies, he does so in a most unexpected way, stabbed multiple times, and whining about, "Hey, what did you do to me." There's blood all over the place, as there should be when someone is bleeding to death, but not a single shot of a knife piercing flesh. And his killer reassuring him as he expires, "It's okay. It's okay." She can't dial 911 because she can't find her glasses.
The end is a little disturbing if you bother to think about it. After all, Debra Winger has stabbed a guy to death over some squabble at her workplace. "A Dangerous Woman" is right. And it appears that Byrne is finally going to make an honest woman out of her. I hope she never gets mad at HIM.
The photography is very nicely done. I don't know where it was shot but it looks a bit like the Coachella Valley in California. Nice ranch house. Nice lines of fruit-bearing trees in the orchards. Mountains all around. Fan palms. The Garden of Eden with humans in it.
debra winger in a very different role
ksf-227 March 2020
A real change of pace for all these actors. Laurie Metcalfe, as a drunk, out of control, jealous woman. Debra Winger is the slightly challenged straight-shooter who never tells a lie. a couple of Gyllenhaals. even Jan Hooks. and Mister Carlin from Bob Newhart When there's a shortage in the drawer at work, Martha (Winger) knows who-dunnit, but she doesn't want to get accused of it herself. so she tells who DID do it. it all goes downhill from there. one of those days where NOTHING goes right. we feel the sadness of it all snowballing, and poor Martha gets the worst of it. Then she meets Mac (Gabriel Byrne), who has come to work on the house... Directed by Stephen Gyllenhaal. he's Dad ! the Gyllenhaal we never hear about. he had been married to Naomi Foner, who happens to have written THIS very screenplay. family project. it's pretty good. on netflix, of course.
Nothing Special
gavin694219 April 2016
Martha Horgan, a naive woman with an intellectual impairment who lives with her aunt Frances in a small town, is known for always telling the truth. She works at a dry cleaner, where her compulsive truth-telling leads her to report to the boss that another employee has been stealing from the cash register.
Janet Maslin wrote, "A Dangerous Woman is soap opera... With Ms. Winger's eerily convincing performance as its centerpiece, the film creates a world of sexual chicanery that would do any television series proud... The film has been given an appealingly languid and intimate mood by the director, Stephen Gyllenhaal." This is pretty much it. Winger does a fine job in the lead role, but she seems to be too good for the movie they have put her in. The plot is not very exciting, and once we get to a point where it has potential everything is already winding down. Gabriel Byrne is a good actor, but does not seem to be really giving much effort here. Did this have a theatrical release? It seems more like a made-for-cable movie.
Janet Maslin wrote, "A Dangerous Woman is soap opera... With Ms. Winger's eerily convincing performance as its centerpiece, the film creates a world of sexual chicanery that would do any television series proud... The film has been given an appealingly languid and intimate mood by the director, Stephen Gyllenhaal." This is pretty much it. Winger does a fine job in the lead role, but she seems to be too good for the movie they have put her in. The plot is not very exciting, and once we get to a point where it has potential everything is already winding down. Gabriel Byrne is a good actor, but does not seem to be really giving much effort here. Did this have a theatrical release? It seems more like a made-for-cable movie.
Appalling dreck
wisewebwoman22 February 2017
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This was resurrected by Netflix and seriously, they should have left it undisturbed in its grave.
All performances were uneven and cringe-worthy. And how the stellar cast were talked into making this drivel should have been filmed as a documentary.
The script was abysmal and unrelentingly unbelievable.
And I haven't mentioned the "sex" scenes.
1/10
All performances were uneven and cringe-worthy. And how the stellar cast were talked into making this drivel should have been filmed as a documentary.
The script was abysmal and unrelentingly unbelievable.
And I haven't mentioned the "sex" scenes.
1/10
What is this boring crap?!!
Irishchatter20 March 2016
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Seriously, I thought it was just gonna be about a nerdy woman who just wants to get on with life as does the rest of us!Instead there was too many stupid scene's, it was always concentrating on her neighbors who do a lot of crime.
No wonder she began to become a screwball in the end, everyone was turning into circus animals.
I had to even skip a few scenes because some of it was just too long and boring. Man, I haven't seen any fun watching this, I'm probably gonna have nightmares about this movie, it is just terrible!
I wish to be given this a 0 rating as it deserves nothing!
No wonder she began to become a screwball in the end, everyone was turning into circus animals.
I had to even skip a few scenes because some of it was just too long and boring. Man, I haven't seen any fun watching this, I'm probably gonna have nightmares about this movie, it is just terrible!
I wish to be given this a 0 rating as it deserves nothing!
An unexpected surprise
jotix10014 April 2005
Never saw the film when it was released, but it was a surprise when it was shown on cable recently. Stephen Gyllenhaal directs with great style. He is helped by the adaptation Naomi Foner crafted out of the Mary McGarry Morris' novel. This is a story about the cruelty inflicted to an innocent woman who is mentally retarded.
The film is set in California. Martha, the troubled soul at the center of the story has mental problems. She is an honest woman who tells it like it is, but because of her condition, people will always try to take advantage of her. Martha probably doesn't know what's happening with her own sexuality, yet we witness a night when she is engaging in satisfying herself in the only way she knows how.
"A Dangerous Woman" is an engrossing tale that involve us from the beginning. Martha is a complex character that in Debra Winger's interpretation shows she is a woman that has been dealt a bad hand by life. Yet, Martha is able to function by herself without any supervision. This is a confused woman that will win the viewer's heart.
Debra Winger doesn't appear often in movies these days. It's our loss! Ms. Winger projects such intelligence as she approaches her role of Martha that suddenly, the actress and the part she is playing become one.
The rest of the cast is excellent. Barbara Hershey is always a welcome addition to any film. Gabriel Byrne is credible as the handy man. David Strathairn plays a pivotal role that brings the film to an unexpected conclusion. Laurie Metcalf is only seen in a couple of scenes.
Mr. Gyllenhaal and Ms. Foner should team up more often because they work well together as proved by this film and the previous ones.
The film is set in California. Martha, the troubled soul at the center of the story has mental problems. She is an honest woman who tells it like it is, but because of her condition, people will always try to take advantage of her. Martha probably doesn't know what's happening with her own sexuality, yet we witness a night when she is engaging in satisfying herself in the only way she knows how.
"A Dangerous Woman" is an engrossing tale that involve us from the beginning. Martha is a complex character that in Debra Winger's interpretation shows she is a woman that has been dealt a bad hand by life. Yet, Martha is able to function by herself without any supervision. This is a confused woman that will win the viewer's heart.
Debra Winger doesn't appear often in movies these days. It's our loss! Ms. Winger projects such intelligence as she approaches her role of Martha that suddenly, the actress and the part she is playing become one.
The rest of the cast is excellent. Barbara Hershey is always a welcome addition to any film. Gabriel Byrne is credible as the handy man. David Strathairn plays a pivotal role that brings the film to an unexpected conclusion. Laurie Metcalf is only seen in a couple of scenes.
Mr. Gyllenhaal and Ms. Foner should team up more often because they work well together as proved by this film and the previous ones.
Where was Jake?
c_c_colangelo30 January 2006
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Jake Gyllenhaal was listed in the cast, but I didn't see him turn up in the movie. The cast was listed in order of appearance, so he should have shown up right after his sister Maggie made an appearance as Antia Bell's daughter. I thought I heard a male voice say "mom" faintly off camera, but the son never appeared. Maybe that was Jake? Would they credit him for uttering one barely intelligible word? Maybe he had a larger part and it was cut? Do they credit actors when their performance is cut? I liked the offbeat plot in this movie, but I felt like Debra Winger made herself too unappealing both looks and personality-wise to make Gabriel Byrne's interest in her believable. I understand that he was a flawed character himself and was supposed to be attracted to her innocence, but she could have been a just a touch more attractive (too much appeal would have been too Hollywood)and still have maintained innocence and made the chemistry between them ring true.
It was not as good as the book but good
Kristinartist7930 July 2004
It was not as good as the book but at least the ending was more clear in the movie than in the book. Barbra Hershey is a great actress! She did a great job at the role she played, so did Martha (Debra). Although, in the book they described her as a girl with normal intelligence with a mental illness, the movie shows her as mentally challenged. So when I saw the movie, Martha was totally different than how I pictured her when I read the book. The story line was sad but interesting. Its interesting and touching to see how a girl could not lye even to save herself. What they did not mention in the story, which bugged me,was the fact that, Gesto was hurting Martha, which I thought could have made it self-defense. I felt like, if she could tell the truth, why couldn't she admit her was hurting her? Well I guess the whole idea was to create a devastating situation, which they did. Also, I wanted to add, contrary to the book, Martha and Frances seemed to have a strong bong; there was love between the two of them. In the book, Frances and Martha seemed to be together more by obligation. Additionally, I was kind of hoping to see the strong wiled character of Martha in the book rather than the vulnerable innocent girl in the movie. The appearance of the girl was not what I expected either; I pictured a tall thin girl, not a petete thin girl, with a much softer look than I pictured in the book. Well, I guess they have to change some things.
The most important things in the book was left out here.
nw_sea123 November 2019
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But it was still a good movie.
In the book, Martha is of normal intelligence. Though she wasn't diagnosed there either, someone with her symptoms now would probably be considered autistic (or Asperger's before the DSM 5).
More importantly, in the book she was the victim of sexual assault by a group of her high school classmates. The boys lured her into the woods, saying the boy she had an obsessive crush on wanted to see her. The boys weren't convicted of anything, because "those fine boys have their whole life ahead of them, while Martha is a disturbed girl who probably brought it on herself." Worse, forevermore in her town there were nasty rumors about her, and nasty comments made to her about the night in the woods, in addition to the regular bullying she'd endured her entire life. She never received any therapy for her trauma, so in addition to her probable autism, she would have had PTSD.
So, for what happened at the end of the movie, Martha naturally assumed she was in danger and acted as she did in self defense.
In the book, Martha is of normal intelligence. Though she wasn't diagnosed there either, someone with her symptoms now would probably be considered autistic (or Asperger's before the DSM 5).
More importantly, in the book she was the victim of sexual assault by a group of her high school classmates. The boys lured her into the woods, saying the boy she had an obsessive crush on wanted to see her. The boys weren't convicted of anything, because "those fine boys have their whole life ahead of them, while Martha is a disturbed girl who probably brought it on herself." Worse, forevermore in her town there were nasty rumors about her, and nasty comments made to her about the night in the woods, in addition to the regular bullying she'd endured her entire life. She never received any therapy for her trauma, so in addition to her probable autism, she would have had PTSD.
So, for what happened at the end of the movie, Martha naturally assumed she was in danger and acted as she did in self defense.
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