Quotes
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Ron Engelman : The FBI and the Branch Davidians each claim the other started the fire. And we may never know the truth. So, instead, let's talk about what we do know. Fact: Fresno, California, 1973. A standoff with law enforcement ends when tear gas turns to fire, killing those inside. Fact: Los Angeles, '74. Standoff between the SLA and law enforcement ends when tear gas turns to fire, killing those inside. Fact: '81, West Fork, Arkansas. A standoff, tear gas, fire, death. 1983, Smithfield, Arkansas. 1985, Philadelphia. 1987, Escondido, California. All of them... standoff, tear gas, fire, death. The FBI knows this happens, and yet they made no plan to put out a fire if one started. We are... all of us... Americans. When did we start seeing each other as the enemy?
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Derek Ludlow : Hey, Ron. Say, I'm, uh... I'm one of the camera guys that's standing out here watching Mount Carmel. Something occurred to me. You know how the Branch Davidians have no way of communicating with the outside world? I've been thinking. There's this huge satelite dish on their roof. I mean, if we can somehow get them to listen to your show, we can ask 'em yes or no questions and they could move the dish to answer, right?
David Koresh : Thibs.
Steve Schneider : [following him out] Go, go. Go.
Ron Engelman : That's not a bad idea. I guess the question would then be how do we get them to listen to my show?
Derek Ludlow : [looking into his camera lens] Whoa. Ron, they just moved it. They moved the dish.
Ron Engelman : They did?
David Koresh : Again!
Ron Engelman : Are you guys listening to me in there?
Steve Schneider : Again! Move it, Thibs!
Derek Ludlow : They moved it again.
Ron Engelman : That's a "yes".
David Koresh : We have communications!
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Ron Engelman : Let me make sure I'm getting this right. David Koresh believes the opening of the fifth seal begins when Babylon, the ATF...
Professor Tabor : Mm-hmm.
Ron Engelman : ...attacks the "peculiar people."
Professor Tabor : Right, the Branch Davidians.
Ron Engelman : Then there's a quote. "Little season of waiting."
Professor Tabor : Yes, that's what they believe they're in right now.
Ron Engelman : And that little season culminates in a second round of bloodshed in which the rest of them are killed.
Professor Tabor : Exactly. But where this gets interesting is the interpretation of the little season. Um, in Biblical terms, that could be a month or a decade. It's not specific. And the word "season" in the Bible is a translation of the Greek word "kairos", which actually means...
David Koresh : [listening on the radio] "Time."
Professor Tabor : ..."time" more than "season". So you can think of it like "right time" versus a literal season. These people are not crazy. David Koresh is not crazy. His theology follows a coherent logic. Agree with it or not, there's something to it.
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Dick DeGuerin : My name is Dick DeGuering. David Koresh's lawyer.
Jack Zimmerman : Jack Zimmerman. Steve Schneider's lawyer.
Dick DeGuerin : We'd like to speak with our clients.
Ron Engelman : Ron Engelman, KGBS.
Tony Prince : You can't be serious. You expect me to, what, just let you walk up there and knock on the front door?
Dick DeGuerin : We filed a writ of habeas corpus.
Tony Prince : Well, that only applies hen someone's in custody.
Jack Zimmerman : Well, if they're not in custody, we'll arrange transportation so they can leave.
Tony Prince : They haven't even asked for a lawyer.
Dick DeGuerin : Yes, they have.
[he gestures towards the compound; hanging from a window is a banner reading "We Want DeGuerin and Zimmerman"]
Dick DeGuerin : They're asking for their lawyers in front of the whole world. Now... what do you think's gonna happen to you when this whole case is dismissed because you refused them the right to counsel?
