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Derek Ludlow : Hey, Ron. Say, I'm, uh... I'm one of the camera guys that's standing out here watching Mount Carmel. Something occurred to me. You know how the Branch Davidians have no way of communicating with the outside world? I've been thinking. There's this huge satelite dish on their roof. I mean, if we can somehow get them to listen to your show, we can ask 'em yes or no questions and they could move the dish to answer, right?
David Koresh : Thibs.
Steve Schneider : [following him out] Go, go. Go.
Ron Engelman : That's not a bad idea. I guess the question would then be how do we get them to listen to my show?
Derek Ludlow : [looking into his camera lens] Whoa. Ron, they just moved it. They moved the dish.
Ron Engelman : They did?
David Koresh : Again!
Ron Engelman : Are you guys listening to me in there?
Steve Schneider : Again! Move it, Thibs!
Derek Ludlow : They moved it again.
Ron Engelman : That's a "yes".
David Koresh : We have communications!
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David Koresh : Gary?
Gary Noesner : Oh, David. I have to say I've missed the sound of your voice, brother. What's going on?
David Koresh : Somethig special happened today, Gary. Something I can't see as anything short of a miracle.
Gary Noesner : What are you saying?
David Koresh : I got my sign from God, Gary. We're coming out.
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David Koresh : I want to protect the message that we have going on in here. So when I go to jail, I can spend all my time answering the stupid questions. Like "Why do you have so many wives in there?" and "Why are you torturing babies?". 'Cause once I finish writing those seven seals, I will personally walk out that front door, and you can throw me in the jailhouse and come on down and feed me bananas for all you want.
Gary Noesner : I'll come feed you anything you like. How long will it take you to write it?
David Koresh : Oh, I'm thinking a week. A week or so.
Gary Noesner : Are you telling me that once you have reduced your version of the seven seals to written form, that you and all your people are coming out of there?
David Koresh : I have no reason to draw this out any longer, Gary.
Gary Noesner : Please answer the question definitively. Are you coming out as soon as you're done?
David Koresh : Gary, I'm going to fulfill my commitment to God. Now, if you would allow me to show you what has been pre-written by the prophets, you'll have a way better understanding of what's going on in here.
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Gary Noesner : I am asking you a very simple question, David. I need...
David Koresh : And I'm gonna give you a very simple answer. Yes, yes, yes! We have no intention of dying in here, Gary.
Gary Noesner : Okay, David. Well, I'm gonna let you get to work because, frankly, I am eagerly awaiting that manuscript.
David Koresh : Well, I tell you what. It's gonna blow your socks off, Gary.
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Ron Engelman : Let me make sure I'm getting this right. David Koresh believes the opening of the fifth seal begins when Babylon, the ATF...
Professor Tabor : Mm-hmm.
Ron Engelman : ...attacks the "peculiar people."
Professor Tabor : Right, the Branch Davidians.
Ron Engelman : Then there's a quote. "Little season of waiting."
Professor Tabor : Yes, that's what they believe they're in right now.
Ron Engelman : And that little season culminates in a second round of bloodshed in which the rest of them are killed.
Professor Tabor : Exactly. But where this gets interesting is the interpretation of the little season. Um, in Biblical terms, that could be a month or a decade. It's not specific. And the word "season" in the Bible is a translation of the Greek word "kairos", which actually means...
David Koresh : [listening on the radio] "Time."
Professor Tabor : ..."time" more than "season". So you can think of it like "right time" versus a literal season. These people are not crazy. David Koresh is not crazy. His theology follows a coherent logic. Agree with it or not, there's something to it.
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Dick DeGuerin : ATF claims that you shot at them first through those front doors, but the metal bends inward. They claim their helicopters didn't fire, but the holes in Jaydean's room are clearly from above. We have recordings, the 911s, Wayne made of you trying to surrender. Trust me on this, gentlemen, any jury sees this at all, you got a hell of a case for self defense here.
David Koresh : This is the U.S. government we're up against, and you're sittin' here telling me we're gonna get a fair shake?
Jack Zimmerman : The government doesn't sit on the jury. People like y'all do.
Dick DeGuerin : Now, let me ask you this. If you were on that jury and you saw that front door, what would your verdict be?
David Koresh : What's the plan? What's the strategy here?
Dick DeGuerin : The plan is we go for full acquittal.
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David Koresh : Thanks again.
Dick DeGuerin : We'll be in touch.
Steve Schneider : You realize we're standing outside.
David Koresh : I know.
Steve Schneider : What do you think?
David Koresh : The theologian on the radio show, the little season... the camera man calling in, the satellite... the lawyers. All of this doesn't happen by chance.
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Steve Schneider : I need your permission to send out some of the manuscript pages.
David Koresh : No. It's not ready.
Steve Schneider : David, Gary has got to show his bosses that we are really doing something here. We have to send out some pages.
David Koresh : Steve, last time I rushed it, the message wasn't ready. And finally, I've received the word of God. And this is gonna be the most sacred revelation in human history. It's gotta be right!
Steve Schneider : I know, but I am telling you...
David Koresh : And I'm telling you you'll get it when it's done!
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David Thibodeau : David, it's the FBI on the phone.
David Koresh : I've agreed to everything. But they won't stop.
David Thibodeau : It... it sounds important.
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Walter Graves : David, I need to tell you that my bosses have run out of patience with you.
David Koresh : Every day, we try and show you men good faith, but all you want to do is fight. I'm tired. I don't wanna fight no more. I'm a life. Everyone in here is a life. We've got children. We're American citizens. But we all have our breaking point.
Walter Graves : You brought yourself to that breaking point, David. If you had walked out on that day as you promised, by now you'd probaby be out on bail for God's sake!
David Koresh : We both know that's not true. You got your guys out here removing evidences, you say you're the government, you wanna settle this in a court of law, but I don't believe it anymore! Are you covering up for the ATF? Because it appears that way, Walter.
Walter Graves : We're not removing evidence, David.
David Koresh : You are removing evidences! And there's things in here that we can't replace! Like that '68 SS El Camino! You can't replace that! They don't make those anymore!
Walter Graves : Well, you know, I don't really have control over that, David.
David Koresh : It's wrong, and you're doing wrong by God and by man, and every day, you're adding to your wrong!
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Walter Graves : David, you seem to have no concern about anybody within that place except yourself!
David Koresh : Walter, please tell me... what is it you men really want?
Walter Graves : We want you and everyone else in that place to come out safely.
David Koresh : Well, you're not showing me that that's what you want. Because I believe you want just the opposite.
Walter Graves : That's not true, David.
David Koresh : Your commanders are fixing to ruin the safety of me and my children, my life, the lives of my wives, the lives of my family, the lives of my friends. You all are fixing to step across that ribbon, and you know it! Walter, if you want to place this in the history books as one of the saddest days the world's ever known... then that's on you.
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Steve Schneider : David, wake up. They're gonna gas us.
David Koresh : What? Gas us?
Steve Schneider : I mean they're coming with gas.
David Koresh : All right, well, get Walter back on the phone.
Steve Schneider : No, it cut off.
David Koresh : Cut off? What do mean "cut off"?
Steve Schneider : I got mad and I ripped out the phone.
David Koresh : Why would you do that, Steve?
Steve Schneider : They're done talking!
