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8/10
Interesting story, good documentary
Calicodreamin11 August 2021
As not the biggest sports enthusiast I had never heard of the Pacers/Pistons/Fans fight before this documentary. The doc handled the subject well, interviewing relevant people, staying neutral, and using an array of footage. The timeline of events was easy to follow, and it was a well told story.
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7/10
Everbody playing the victim
wesschutte18 August 2021
Very annoying people with lack of introspective. The players and also that "fan" Charlie Haddad.

Everybody playing the victim. Only Artest takes some accountability.

The only real victim is Reggie Miller. His teammates robbed him of a potential ring.
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7/10
A nice recap of the most infamous brawl in NBA history
Agent1017 August 2021
I remember when I saw this fight. I remember how wild it was. It was completely surreal and unbelievable, but much like many of the people in the documentary implied, the backlash was completely ridiculous. If anything, never trust the media in an election year because their collective minds seem to be on hyperbole mode. The never ending collection of news clips illustrated this perfectly. I'm kinda surprised they couldn't get a Nancy Grace clip (provided she was on the air at the time).

Yes, the Pacers were the scape goats and yes, they needed to be punished. The problem is, this all went down at the worst possible time. A new collective bargaining agreement was coming up, a new television deal was on the horizon and the burgeoning power of the internet was starting to be utilized. David Stern, the fascist iron fist of the league who saved the same league from drug abuse and outright obscurity, clearly was not going to play around. He fixed drafts and threw players under the bus for decades and no one would have expected any less than a finger wagging response that would burn credit cards and remove zeroes from paychecks. However, the suspensions were so harsh that it really derailed the franchise and while Indiana has had some ups and downs since, they have never been that close to greatness since.

What I appreciate about any documentary is when all parties participate. All of the major players were called in and while it was surprising to see disgraced referee Tim Donaghy in the fray, it just proved they worked pretty hard to get as many involved as possible. It's only fitting that human punching bag Charlie Haddad still thinks he is a victim. It was a mixed bag so to speak, for you felt kinda bad for Jermaine O'Neal and also gained some twisted perspectives from Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest/Metta World Peace. I always enjoy these interviews, especially if the participants show some levity and honesty. There was really only one glaring detail they didn't go too deep into.

Yes, the racial optics of the fight should have been a bigger topic, especially since this wasn't the first time it has happened for the NBA. During the 70s, white America started turning against the NBA due to the perceived "blackness" of the league. Just look up what some people used to call the New York Knicks back in those days and you will see. It didn't help the NBA had a fighting and drug problem, which ironically was cleaned up by David Stern when he was basically second in command (though some feel he had been making the major decisions as early as 1979, five years before he officially became the commissioner). If they had done a little parallel story telling for this topic, I would have given the documentary an 8.

Anyway, for true sports fans nothing new was really offered except for the background of the fall out. You can honestly feel the contempt from law enforcement about the amount of time and effort they had to put into this. I felt those perspectives were especially important. This was a powder keg waiting to happen and in the words of Bill Walton who was calling the game, "This was a disgrace."

Nice little documentary. I look forward to some other entries in the series.
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10/10
Great Doc
prestonpetersen14 August 2021
Mistakes on both sides, but nothing notable would have happened if a bunch of fat, drunk, lazy, losers didn't feel entitled to attack athletic performers. NBA protected their brand- whatever- no big surprise there. Billionaires and billion dollar companies sell out their performers all the time. It's disgusting, but not surprising. What was surprising was the Oakland County prosecutors tracking down and charging all the fans. The fans still got off easy, but I was pleasantly surprised by that.
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10/10
Fans = Total Losers
masonbissi10 August 2021
Awesome documentary! Thank you for shedding light on this incident. I watched it on the news and immediately thought it was the players fault but I was totally mislead by the racist media! Those fans should be in prison. And the players should sue EVERYONE for what they lost just by defending their brothers. The NBA needs to set up barriers between these moron fans and the athletes, just like in hockey. We have no place in sports or this society for people like these fans who attack or instigate players. They should be banned for life.
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6/10
Great premise, somewhat flawed execution
Jeremy_Urquhart29 September 2021
As someone who's not interested in basketball and who had never heard of this incident before, I found the last 40 minutes pretty interesting. Apparently it doesn't do much for viewers who are knowledgeable about the incident, though.

The biggest problem for me was the tedious first 25 minutes, which could have been way more condensed. It's all an extended prologue to the incident at the Palace itself, and I don't understand how most of it was relevant.

Also: the content itself could have gone a bit deeper. That guy who initially threw the beer and started things seems like a stone cold sociopath who could have been discussed more (he admits to not feeling bad that another guy got mistaken for him and attacked).

Then there's the whole racism in the media at the time that gets shown briefly but isn't really dives into. There's a lot to say about those who kind of blamed it - directly or indirectly - on things like "hip-hop" and "thug attitudes" (paraphrasing what the news reporters were saying).

So one third of this is dull, two thirds are quite good, but maybe a bit of a missed opportunity to dig deeper on certain things. So it's an okay documentary, but a little disappointing in the end.
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9/10
2004 First Date
benfearnow12 August 2021
I was 16 on a first date with this girl after Fazoli's, nervous as hell on her couch - and then this tremendous s**t went down. She, myself and her entire damn family ended up jaw-dropped watching that (game which was over), wondering if it was real. Great recap and full story behind a wild night!
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6/10
Okay doc, but an odd perspective
midnightvii-9984017 August 2021
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I remember this incident. I remember the backlash. But the way you hear the players explain it in this doc, you'd think it was a different incident altogether. No accountability whatsoever.

Yes, a fan threw a cup at Artest. But that didn't start the riot. Artest jumping into the stands and wailing on the (wrong) fan is what started it.

Don't get me wrong, the fan should have been ejected/arrested. But fans throwing things is not something new. As a player, you don't get to jump in the stands and attack them for it. That's not self defense.

Jackson's argument that he was defending his teammate? No he wasn't. If he was, he would have been trying to pull Artest out of the stands, not throwing haymakers. Same for O'Neil.

I will say that I didn't know O'Neil had his suspension shortened. I don't understand why. Clear video of him running across the court to sucker punch a fan who had already been separated from Artest. Again, he wasn't defending anyone, he was attacking someone. Fan was charged, as he should have been. But the sucker punch was completely unwarranted.

All in all, there was a whole lot of wrong that went down. But the cup didn't start the riot, Artest did.

Also of note, O'Neil says multiple times that if you saw the whole footage instead of the edited version, you would have a different opinion. I didn't see any new footage in this doc. And the footage I saw just reflects what I mentioned above.
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10/10
"Attack on crime" vibes
cinayetbela14 August 2021
The "thug" narrative was widely used against black culture at the time and I am glad the people who used it is put infront of the viewers eyes. Thug didnt meant just a thug and the dress code wasnt just a dress code. NBA's failure to protect the players AND the fans was a disgrace but of course the "thugs" were the scapegoat. Salute and power to the players.
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7/10
Good doc.
Analog_Devotee12 August 2021
Great documentary, very informative while remaining neutral about the subject. Great interviews, plenty of perspectives.
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8/10
What's with the loud music?
kennywheeler-8408116 August 2021
I really enjoyed hearing the players involved talk about this with all these years of hindsight, but for whatever reason they played music over most of the interviews that was so loud it made them hard to hear. Overall though I thought it was well done. I'm not a huge basketball fan and didn't follow this particularly closely at the time, so it was interesting to hear a little more about how the whole thing went down.

I took one star off for including the whiny fan that came onto the court and squared up with Artest, then had the audacity to go on tv almost 20 years later and complain about being a victim. Guys like that make fans in general look bad.
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7/10
Intriguing documentary based on the infamous 2004 incident! [+71%]
arungeorge1315 August 2021
This was a story well told. Having followed the NBA religiously (thanks to the yearly video games) during a time when the internet was in its nascent stages and social media was non-existent, I was completely into every minute of it. For the longest time, I had only read about why Ron Artest changed his name to Metta World Peace. Telling the whole story from the perspective of the Pacers (specifically Reggie Miller, Jermaine O'Neal, and Stephen Jackson) with the right amount of historical detail thrown in, Untold: Malice at the Palace is well-shot and neatly put together. While I do realize that it may have come a few years too late since videos surrounding the incident (and the media's analysis of it) are available for free viewing, it is still a solid watch. At 1h 9m, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
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2/10
What is with the music??!
nigelmacdonald-9717315 October 2021
Might have been worth watching, but the background music was so awful and distracting that I couldn't get past the first 20 minutes. They might as well have had dentist drills and fingernails on a chalkboard, or why not throw in a baby crying for good measure?
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9/10
Must watch for Nba junkies
vikcyru14 August 2021
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Remember the incident but I also remember this as the day the league softened. I always felt bad for the players - at the time - and this made me empathise with them more. Loved how it pointed out the racism aspect against the nba and hip hop 'thug' life commentary by mainstream media. Well directed and a unique insight into Ron Artest who is probably one of the most underrated players of all time coz of the crazy.
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10/10
Pepperidge Farm Remembers....
helenahandbasket-9373411 August 2021
This is a textbook example of the corporate media going completely off the rails and not a single person standing up to say 'no, we aren't allowing this!'

The talking heads, the 'experts', the supposed 'betters' became unhinged, called these players thugs and worse, with nothing a single mention of these poorly acting fans that started the entire debacle and igniting the spark that started the entire ball rolling downhill.

The abuse the players had heaped upon them was insane and at the time I was incensed by the nonsense being espoused by the media and Stern with their insistence that it was the players that bore the responsibility and completely missed the point at the heart of the issue.

I'm so please that Mr Artest has finally found the peace of mind he deserves and can look back with an honest and insightful look at what happened. It's too bad Reggie Miller was unable to hang his hat on a championship, but there's so many great players that also wear the same ball and chain about their neck- as a lifelong Bulls fan, I have the utmost respect for that team and for Reggies talent.
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6/10
Spoilt by background music
Priceybay18 August 2021
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I enjoyed this as a documentary and the unseen footage. Artest really let his team down by doing a runner though after his ban. I refuse to call him by the silly new name he has come up with.

However the whole thing is spoilt by the loud background/foreground music. So much so I really struggled to hear the dialogue for long periods. Poor editing/mixing.
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9/10
NBA should apologize
dbrewy18 August 2021
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Excellent documentary. The NBA owes an apology to, at least, Jermaine O'Neal, Stephen Jackson, and the Indiana Pacers. Former Commish David Stern tried, convicted, and sentenced the players in an ESPN court of law without investigation. The media and NBA branded the black athletes as "thugs" rather than address the belligerent drunks that moved down from the upper decks. As for Ron Artest, society at the time lacked compassion and awareness of mental health problems. A must see for any basketball fan.
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7/10
Tragic tale, well told
cliftonofun6 September 2021
I have watched enough sports docs to recognize those that are told well. From the set-up to the interviews to the dissecting of footage, this film was really solid. They let the story unfold and resisted the urge to embellish. It is a 75 minute look at a moment many want to forget, but also an important counterbalance to the 2004 narrative.
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8/10
Necessary for Basketball Fans
Entertainmentsparadise17 August 2021
Documentary based film on the events leading up to, the actual event itself, and the compact results of the 'Malice in the Palace' brawl between the Detroit Pistons, Indiana Pacers, and Fans.

This is what we needed as NBA fans, to hear the sides of the players involved, especially after we were blessed with 'The Last Dance'. The interviews from Jermaine O'Neal, Stephen Jackson, The basketball player formerly known as Ron Artest, Reggie Miller and fans involved all proved to give us vital insights on the thoughts of those involved in this brawl. Unfortunately this project does not capitalize on so much more. Such as the lasting effects of the players and organizations involved. This could easily turn into a multi part project, those are my own biases as a basketball fan yet the hour of so of this film is straight to the point and pretty enjoyable.

Basketball fans this is a must watch, especially for those who grew up and knew about this event. Even for those who did not grow up when this went down, please watch this educate yourself on how NBA players are more than just athletes, they are human beings too.
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7/10
The Bi-Polar Express
vrush-0863419 August 2021
Good documentary. Artest proved to be as mentally unstable as R. KELLY or Antonio Brown. No matter how they spun it, Artest is a mental case.
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8/10
So many salty Detroit fan reviews here.
SithHunter14 August 2021
Ur piston team was always a bully team full of losers. As a lakers fan I say stop crying over the doc. Haha.
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Exaggerated
yasyndemyr23 September 2021
It is a documentary worth to see but the name "Untold" is deceiving. Nothing unknown is in the story, and I don't believe the events earlier played any role in the incident.

The efforts to show an increased tension are sad. The so called "crazy" fans are nothing but clowns for European audiences.

Violence in any form should not be tolerated and should be condemned.

But incidents like these would called as "a bitter argument among fans and players" in countries like Greece, Serbia, Turkey etc. Where unfortunately sometimes people even die at Euroleague level and hate is a legacy throughout generations.
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7/10
Sorry for Reggie and JO
mungunbayarbatbayar13 October 2021
Sorry for Reggie and specially JO'neil... fan who throw that and shows incidents should have take responsible too

Sorry for Reggie and specially JO'neil... fan who throw that and shows incidents should have take responsible too.
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2/10
Told, but Poorly
Cineanalyst11 August 2021
When you begin a documentary program stating that footage of a past event wasn't made public back then and follow that up with interviewees suggesting we don't know the entire story, one expects the documentary to be informative--provide new footage and perspectives, tell the untold. So, it's egregious when this hour-and-some-change "Untold: Malice at the Palace" doesn't do that. There's hardly anything here that hadn't played live on television and repeatedly on ESPN and the rest of the news TV channels thereafter. Instead, we get a piece of sports nostalgia to demonstrate how lousy analog TV footage looks beside digitized interviews performed nearly 17 years later, as the same old story is repeated once again and none too insightfully or thoroughly.

I should've known something was amiss right off the bat, to use another sport's cliché, when Ron Artest, a.k.a. Metta World Peace, claims the NBA game brawl is "hard to explain to people from Suburban America," as the camera reveals him sitting in a room of a home that looks better than some cookie-cutter suburban digs. Unlike some of the clips here from TV personalities, I'm not suggesting such professional athletes don't deserve millions of dollars--this is capitalism, after all, not some NCAA racket--nor that anyone should have beer, chairs and fists thrown at them. But, I do have a low tolerance for pissing and moaning about millionaires not getting some fancy ring for winning a basketball tournament. Reggie Miller is going to be fine. And, if the so-called "Malice at the Palace" is, indeed, hard to explain to suburbanites, this laughably titled "Untold" documentary sure does a poor job demonstrating that. Heck, aren't plenty of those fans from the suburbs--wasn't the Auburn Hills stadium. Indeed, we see a bit of the beer-thrower's home, lawn included.

Moreover, the doc focuses on the effects of alcohol on the fans more than any racial dynamics, which is what one might guess Artest was getting at. It was only this past NBA season that I ever recall the media examining incidents of bad behavior from fans towards players in that light--and, then, only after players pointed it out. "Untold" doesn't tell about that, either. It does cover the racially-charged nature of the use of the word "thug," especially as only applied to the mostly-black players and not the mostly-white fans, in an obvious way and without a hint of irony that the best argument of that probably isn't people acting criminally violent, which is its dictionary definition.

Never mind wider social issues, though, for this doc doesn't even do very well to examine the game. The interviews are generally bland. The most interesting thing might be the animosity between the former Indiana Pacers players, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson with Artest, all of whom also happened to be among the most involved and harshly punished for the riot. Artest obviously had emotional problems, though, and that's once again covered here, so that's not much news, either, that his actions would annoy others. From the Detroit Pistons, only Ben Wallace is interviewed and not for long. Otherwise, interviews include an obnoxious fan who was also subsequently charged and even-more-so refuses accountability and, of all people, disgraced-referee Tim Donaghy. Sure, he refereed that game, and he was also later sentenced to prison for betting on the games he oversaw. Hard to take this program as credible when it glosses over something so blatant.

It says the riot changed the league, but how? A more encompassing look at how this brawl fit into others throughout the rest of the league's history (e.g. Rudy Tomjanovich nearly dying from a punch during a 1977 game) might've been good--along with an examination of how such cumulatively contributed to rule changes that created a less-physical, more up-tempo, guard-friendly game than the ones from 2004 covered here, where the Pistons could close out the Conference Finals against rival Pacers with a score of 69-65. This last year's Eastern Conference Finals, the winning team scored at least 110 points every game. Of course, alterations in assessing fouls and such are only part of it--there's also "Moneyball" analytics valuing 3-pointers, relaxed enforcement of traveling, and such. I know the documentary is only a little over an hour in length, but if you have time to waste on covering O'Neal being drafted out of high school, let alone replaying interview and TV clips over and over again, you have time to discuss something of actual interest.
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10/10
Compelling Watch
sclboone14 August 2021
This may be a more intriguing watch for those of us who are young enough to say we don't vividly remember the events surrounding the documentary... that way all the footage is new to us! Either way it was an interesting look into how the personal lives and mental health of players' can interact with sport's culture/fans with disastrous results.

Most of the negative reviews here are a bit fixated on rating the documentary poorly due to somewhat sympathetic context provided regarding the athletes... it is worth seeing and the viewer can make independent judgements I'm sure.
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